happygilmore
7:34 Fri Mar 29
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Indeed . I wonder if Prof Trundle has done any research into the rise in heart related deaths and the massive increase in use of cocaine etc or the rise in obesity from sedentary lifestyles
But it's all clearly down to vaccines for covid but seemingly no other vaccines
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Vexed
7:25 Fri Mar 29
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These are the sort of age groups that could have easily been off their tits at a rave every weekend throughout the eighties/nineties, probably not great for the old ticker. But of course it must be the jabs! They're trying to control us with nanobots!
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happygilmore
7:25 Fri Mar 29
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OK Professor Trundle
Since you care, no I didn't have the Astra Z
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Lee Trundle
7:02 Fri Mar 29
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The few John Campbell vids I've seen are him producing figures from places like the ONS (before they started cooking the books).
I never felt like he was pushing any opinion.
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Side of Ham
7:02 Fri Mar 29
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If having covid/having a vaccine ends up being the biggest threat to our well being in our lifetimes in the U.K. then we have been a lucky bunch of cunts.....all the rest is people just looking to be right about something and for whatever reason want to gloat about it.....even though no-one can be confirmed as being right or wrong as it was an unprecedented event in our lives.....decided by posh people as to how well we get through it.
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Matthew Holmes
6:41 Fri Mar 29
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Matt Ridley is a proper journalist too soni thought his findings carried some weight.
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Matthew Holmes
6:40 Fri Mar 29
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Zico
Yes I think it's important to stay grounded.
I used to get irritated by John Campbell vids ad he was not saying what I thought. Had to have a look at myself and my own bias and it was just him giving his opinion based on his experience.
We (humans) have a bias to confirm our own beliefs and that why so many out there types comment on those videos now. Their happy someone well known is in the same ball park as them.
The truth is a slippery fish to get hold of and we're all passing in the wind I think. Its important to stay open and not to think we know everything.
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Lee Trundle
6:13 Fri Mar 29
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I bet you even had the astrazeneca vaccine, happygilmore.
You know, the one they're not dishing out anymore, for whatever reason.
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happygilmore
5:36 Fri Mar 29
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Lee Trundle 1:34 Fri Mar 29
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I like OTB so I won't go into it too much, but I find it incredible there's still people out there banging to COVID vaccination drum.
It did nothing. It didn't protect you, it didn't protect others. If anything, it's harmed a number of people that took it.
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I still chuckle at someone posting as "fact" and over ruling the World Health Organisation, all the science and medically qualified, because he has got the the alternative truth from listening to Podcasters looking for 👍
Btw what is the Nurse (not WHO's) up to these days?
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5:12 Fri Mar 29
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By now, with covid still around it is likely that more people have been infected than people jabbed ( lots of people have been jabbed but lots chose not to be or they simply had the initial two jabs and then no more ).
So as Goose asks are we seeing long term effects in the population that are being caused by being jabbed or being infected with covid ( many people too have been infected more than once )
This is what the Mayo clinic has to say.
Long COVID is a real illness and can result in chronic conditions that require comprehensive care. There are resources available.
Long COVID can include a wide range of ongoing health problems; these conditions can last weeks, months, or years.
Long COVID occurs more often in people who had severe COVID-19 illness, but anyone who has been infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 can experience it.
People who are not vaccinated against COVID-19 and become infected may have a higher risk of developing Long COVID compared to people who have been vaccinated.
People can be reinfected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, multiple times. Each time a person is infected or reinfected with SARS-CoV-2, they have a risk of developing Long COVID.
While most people with Long COVID have evidence of infection or COVID-19 illness, in some cases, a person with Long COVID may not have tested positive for the virus or known they were infected.
CDC and partners are working to understand more about who experiences Long COVID and why, including whether groups disproportionately impacted by COVID-19 are at higher risk.
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Lee Trundle
1:34 Fri Mar 29
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I like OTB so I won't go into it too much, but I find it incredible there's still people out there banging to COVID vaccination drum.
It did nothing. It didn't protect you, it didn't protect others. If anything, it's harmed a number of people that took it.
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WHU(Exeter)
1:32 Fri Mar 29
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Nagel, I see what you mean about spikes because of Covid coming into play, but you’d have thought that years ago, when these figures had already been gathered and analysed for donkeys years previously, then there would’ve been agreed principals for how things such as Covid should be taken into account.
That kind of thing should really have been set in stone. Whereas this just feels like they’ve used one way of looking at things, decided they didn’t like the results, so have conveniently come up with a different way of doing it?
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only1billybonds
1:30 Fri Mar 29
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If you're interested in the lab leak cover up theory, Matt Ridley gives a good account on Spiked with Brendan O' Neil.
https://youtu.be/AolXUDL9SVA?si=mtknOGiUacVWAOMg
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zico
1:12 Fri Mar 29
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Exiled....
Height shortening.... You sure, as every school kid seems to tower over me these days?! Mind you at 5'5 they all towered over me when I was at school!
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Exiled In Surrey
12:48 Fri Mar 29
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Life expectancy falling
Height shortening
Obesity rising
in the UK
Hardly evolution.
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Nagel
12:37 Fri Mar 29
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Not 100% sure, but I think that the methodology for the figures quoted by Goose were the outlier and now they've gone back to how they used to do it (basically the average over the last 5 years). They did it a different way than usual to try to avoid COVID messing with the average figures too much, but ended up going too far as it effectively ignored the strain on the NHS, any COVID related deaths, etc. Now, I suspect they've gone too far the other way to avoid it looking like the NHS might be at fault in any way.
Apparently excess deaths have been on the rise since 2010 and pre-COVID it was linked to austerity measures forcing NHS cuts.
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BRANDED
12:27 Fri Mar 29
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"on both sides of the coin"
That would imply everything is binary. however if you had a 100 sided coin the chance of any of the numbers coming up is one in a hundred.
You can over time have a level of certainty in your belief which could be 0-100% not just yes and no.
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WHU(Exeter)
11:53 Fri Mar 29
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Nagel, I might be being naive here, but how can they change the way in which they end up with overall figures?
They have the official death rate stats going back decades, so taking into account population growth, there will be an average death rate for each of the age groups.
So each year they have the figures for deaths that particular year and it’s either above or below the given average?
If they’ve been doing this for years and are now changing the way they’re doing it all of a sudden, suggests to me they shouldn’t have been responsible for carrying it out in the first place?
I’m probably missing something here maybe, but genuinely can’t see why working out death rates, and comparing it with previous years would be so difficult?
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Mickey Rat
4:55 Fri Mar 29
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This explains it pretty well at 7:15 minutes in
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001wq77
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bruuuno
3:33 Fri Mar 29
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OTB injects himself with the vaccine every day before going off to do a hard days work tik tok dancing
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Iron Duke
3:02 Fri Mar 29
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I have to admit I do like looking at statistics. But they have to be looked at carefully and with an open mind, You shouldn’t jump to conclusions without extensive research.
As a species, I think the human race is increasing still.
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